There are many takes on abusive asteroids. There is a scare about Nessus that if conjuncts your natal planet, angle or node then the person becomes abusive. When you think of abuse it can be plain abuse which is either physical, mental or emotional nature. Abuse is for the sake of abuse. It has no feelings or emotions attached to it. It is pure abuse. You can never glorify or think about it in any positive way. Planets tell you about the real picture of the nature and intensity of abuse. House placements and angles tell you about the place where it will take place. Nodes tell you the motivation behind abuse.
But asteroids tell you exactly who will abuse and how. No matter how strange it sounds but asteroids can actually nail the thing. There are two asteroids namely Nessus and Nemesis who are known as "abusive". But there is a significant difference in their nature. Most of the times the confusion between their natures can lead to a wrong conclusion. You can stay in a relationship plagued with Nemesis assuming that it is the "possessive streak". At other times, you can reject the advances of "Nessus" considering it to be direct abuse. So, what is the difference? Who is better? To speak so, none. However, you need to know the difference to handle the energy of each.
NESSUS:
My observation led me to research on Nessus who is the evil man who raped Dejanira who was the lover of Hercules. Nessus was obsessed by the desire to have Dejanira and he couldn't control himself. He manipulated Dejanira when Hercules attacked him to put his bloody clothes on him so that he could love her forever. However, when she put his clothes on Hercules, it led to his death. Therefore, Nessus in your chart is the "incessant desire". It is obsession of willing to have things at all costs. Nessus won't give the person he desires to anyone else even if he cannot have her himself. In fact, Nessus is anything that we want beyond control and are willing to go to any lengths to get it. So, wherever he is in your chart, it is your lowest point. The sign he falls in shows how you desire incessantly and the house tells you what exactly is your incessant desire. When he conjuncts your personal planets, he highlights your incessant qualities pertaining to that planet. It is same for the house rulers and angles. In synastry, when he conjuncts/opposes the other person's personal planets and house rulers he is activating himself. Nessus will want the moon, sun, mars, venus, saturn, jupiter, pluto, uranus, neptune incessantly. His conjunctions to the angles will show his deep obsession and interest of the angle person concerning the quality of the angle.
If he conjuncts Dejanira then he will want her incessantly. She will be his victim. A person who has a strong nessus in his chart is not necessary an incessant person. He becomes when it is touched.
NEMESIS:
I was confused as I have mentioned above who was the real abuser. I understood that Nessus was our deepest and uncontrolled incessant desire. So, he is an abuser with a motivation. Therefore, that is actually more of a captivational abuse and not a plain abuse. Although, it doesn't glorify him but Nemesis more the enemy than what I would accuse Nessus of being. I will cite an example for it. I know somebody was regularly beaten'up in school right from the tender age of 6 to 10 yrs. The boy who hit her was a bully. He was the friend of the grandson of the man who was one of the owners of the school. You can take example of Draco Malfoy to Hermoine Granger. I tried to search for Nessus aspects from his side to check for the "Abuse" coming from him to her. She has dejanira conjunct moon natally. So, you can see that "victim" part is very much there.
However, he had no Nessus aspect other than a "Nessus trine Dejanira" aspect. Both of them were born the same year and Nessus moves very slowly. So, she has Nessus trine Dejanira natally as well. Now, here, comes the interesting part. She has her Nemesis in Capricorn and the boy was a Sun in Capricorn. She never has a good relationship with Capricorns (men) and finds it problematic as she is a Capricorn descendant.
Nevertheless, the most interesting part is that Capricorn boy has his Nemesis in Sag which conjuncts her Moon/Dejanira. Now, you see "pure abuse". Draco Malfoy does not have incessant desire for Hermoine. He purely hates her out of a feeling of superiority. Therefore, he is Nemesis and not Nessus.
Nessus is the centaur of Pluto, so when you think of Nessus always think of Pluto. When you think of Pluto think of Scorpio and the #8thouse of the zodiac.
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But asteroids tell you exactly who will abuse and how. No matter how strange it sounds but asteroids can actually nail the thing. There are two asteroids namely Nessus and Nemesis who are known as "abusive". But there is a significant difference in their nature. Most of the times the confusion between their natures can lead to a wrong conclusion. You can stay in a relationship plagued with Nemesis assuming that it is the "possessive streak". At other times, you can reject the advances of "Nessus" considering it to be direct abuse. So, what is the difference? Who is better? To speak so, none. However, you need to know the difference to handle the energy of each.
NESSUS:
My observation led me to research on Nessus who is the evil man who raped Dejanira who was the lover of Hercules. Nessus was obsessed by the desire to have Dejanira and he couldn't control himself. He manipulated Dejanira when Hercules attacked him to put his bloody clothes on him so that he could love her forever. However, when she put his clothes on Hercules, it led to his death. Therefore, Nessus in your chart is the "incessant desire". It is obsession of willing to have things at all costs. Nessus won't give the person he desires to anyone else even if he cannot have her himself. In fact, Nessus is anything that we want beyond control and are willing to go to any lengths to get it. So, wherever he is in your chart, it is your lowest point. The sign he falls in shows how you desire incessantly and the house tells you what exactly is your incessant desire. When he conjuncts your personal planets, he highlights your incessant qualities pertaining to that planet. It is same for the house rulers and angles. In synastry, when he conjuncts/opposes the other person's personal planets and house rulers he is activating himself. Nessus will want the moon, sun, mars, venus, saturn, jupiter, pluto, uranus, neptune incessantly. His conjunctions to the angles will show his deep obsession and interest of the angle person concerning the quality of the angle.
If he conjuncts Dejanira then he will want her incessantly. She will be his victim. A person who has a strong nessus in his chart is not necessary an incessant person. He becomes when it is touched.
NEMESIS:
I was confused as I have mentioned above who was the real abuser. I understood that Nessus was our deepest and uncontrolled incessant desire. So, he is an abuser with a motivation. Therefore, that is actually more of a captivational abuse and not a plain abuse. Although, it doesn't glorify him but Nemesis more the enemy than what I would accuse Nessus of being. I will cite an example for it. I know somebody was regularly beaten'up in school right from the tender age of 6 to 10 yrs. The boy who hit her was a bully. He was the friend of the grandson of the man who was one of the owners of the school. You can take example of Draco Malfoy to Hermoine Granger. I tried to search for Nessus aspects from his side to check for the "Abuse" coming from him to her. She has dejanira conjunct moon natally. So, you can see that "victim" part is very much there.
However, he had no Nessus aspect other than a "Nessus trine Dejanira" aspect. Both of them were born the same year and Nessus moves very slowly. So, she has Nessus trine Dejanira natally as well. Now, here, comes the interesting part. She has her Nemesis in Capricorn and the boy was a Sun in Capricorn. She never has a good relationship with Capricorns (men) and finds it problematic as she is a Capricorn descendant.
Nevertheless, the most interesting part is that Capricorn boy has his Nemesis in Sag which conjuncts her Moon/Dejanira. Now, you see "pure abuse". Draco Malfoy does not have incessant desire for Hermoine. He purely hates her out of a feeling of superiority. Therefore, he is Nemesis and not Nessus.
Nessus is the centaur of Pluto, so when you think of Nessus always think of Pluto. When you think of Pluto think of Scorpio and the #8thouse of the zodiac.
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Comments
I just read your synastry charts to get a better understanding. Your relationship with John is "Hot as Hell" and dynamic with lots of unpredictability. I am not sure if this is a relationship that has the length but it has the impact, a strong one. Your charts say that the meeting was "unusual, out of the blue" in some way. I can say this is how a Pluto person will enter your life at the beginning of this transit. Uranus will have a big role to play. It is a gut wrenching, exciting relationship with possibilities.
i have changed what i thought i knew...its not about shared interests that attracts my soul..its a soul connection...it looks so unlike what i thought i wanted..what people look for as compatibility...but the love generated from a soul place is what opens my heart to being willing to be more tolerant and more compassionate...
what is the point of hot as hell...if we can't see the "lessons" thru...?????
isn't it better...even when parting (because both people have to say yes) to do so in peace and love..with a rational ending..instead of out of the blue.."Get the hell out of my house"? and cancel our trip for my birthday next week!
i admit i have a hard time letting go of something this hot and this strong...all those Taurus plansts... but the aspects to my 6/7 hse with pluto and 9/10 house with uranus have quietly changed me..even i admit to that!
your awesome..thanks...but id be ever so grateful for a bit more clarity on future action...or to pack up my marbles and go home. :(
me
may 17, 1952
9:08 am
Philadelphia Pa USA
him
Aug 16, 1952
10:42 am
Virginia Beach, VA USA
One more thing I worry about is that the whole combo sits in my 10th house. I was just wondering how everything will play out?
The nemesis of person A exactly conjunct to the pluto of person B?
It means that the can be ennemies even if other goog aspects are presents in tne synastry chart?
what about an exact conjunction between the nessus of her and the mars of him in her descendent?
Thank you.
Nemesis cannot overshadow good aspects but it will be active in the house area of the planet person during the interaction with the nemesis person. Nessus is an obsession out of control, on his mars, it will be power struggle in the relationship (descendant).
His Nessus + Nemesis conjunct my DC in 7th house Gemini and this trines my Venus, Vesta and his name planet
and trines my Nemesis conjuncting his south-node .
And my Nemesis conjunct my Semele in 10th house Libra.
We know eachother since 2,5 years and 7 month he dated me , only 2 dates and then bit texting , no kiss, no touch, some photos but all in a very serious frame . He is still married and plans divorce ... and has emotional problems ... he not talks about,, but I know about that things and he knows that I know.
We both feel strong drawn to eachother and have many other strong soulmate aspects with nodes, Vertex Venus, AC etc.
I know from constellations that many conflicts ( all mirrored in astrolgy ;-) ) can get solved / lived on spiritual level by overcoming old pain from childhood by constellation therapy .
What you think about the conjunct and the trines ...
Kate
Although,I will have to look at the whole chart. But it kind of rings true that you may attract enemy types. Or otherwise, your love or desires may look enemy like to the others causing some kind of repulsion. However, do not get disheartened. A lot depends upon transits and progressions, also upon synastry and composites.
Anonymous above Kate,
I think this sounds like a karmic debt to me. I would have to look into the charts into details though. Anyways, Nessus plus Nemesis is high-voltage karma and drama. It can rip your world apart and push you into a dark valley. I know it is difficult but try to rise above all this and keep your self detached as possible. Sorry, for the delayed reply. I hope you are better and feel in the peace in your heart.
His Nessus conjunct your Rahu or North Node means that his obsession and ID will change or illuminate your life path.